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Tesla burns cash, loses more than $4,000 on every obama-mobile sold
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Elon Musk, another 'hollywood queer'
2015-08-17 16:08:39 UTC
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It's crunch time for Tesla Motors.

The Silicon Valley automaker is losing more than $4,000 on every
Model S electric sedan it sells, using its reckoning of
operating losses, and it burned $359 million in cash last
quarter in a bull market for luxury vehicles. The company on
Wednesday cut its production targets for this year and next.
Chief Executive Elon Musk said he's considering options to raise
more capital, and didn't rule out selling more stock.

Musk has taken investors on a thrill ride since taking Tesla
public in 2010. Now he's given himself a deadline, promising
that by the first quarter of 2016 Tesla will be making enough
money to fund a jump from making one expensive, low volume car
to mass producing multiple models, and expanding a venture to
manufacture electric power storage systems.

Tesla's shares fell almost 9 percent on Thursday and slipped
another 2 percent on Friday as investors and analysts weighed
the risks of Musk's ambitious plans for expanding Tesla's auto
and energy storage businesses. Tesla had just $1.15 billion on
hand as of June 30, down from $2.67 billion a year earlier.

Automakers consume cash to pay for assembly line equipment,
including metal dies and plastic molds, as well as testing to
meet safety and emissions standards. A typical new car can cost
$1 billion or more to engineer and bring to market.

Established automakers such as General Motors Co and Ford Motor
Co have amassed far larger cash cushions as they've rebuilt
balance sheets battered by the 2008-2009 recession. GM,
restructured six years ago in a government funded bankruptcy,
has targeted cash reserves of $20 billion and had more than $28
billion in cash equivalents as of June 30.

To be sure, GM sells more than 9 million vehicles a year, while
Tesla plans to build between 50,000 and 55,000 cars this year.
Tesla, most of whose cars are built to order directly, delivered
11,532 cars in the second period and said it had an operating
loss of about $47 million, for an operating loss per car of
about $4,000.

Tesla's narrower margin for error is just one more way in which
it is different from its century old rivals.

The company said it plans $1.5 billion in capital spending this
year, mainly to launch its Model X, battery powered sport
utility vehicle with eye-catching, vertical-opening "falcon
wing" doors. Tesla reported $831 million in capital spending
during the first half of the year, indicating it will spend
roughly another $700 million.

During the second quarter, Tesla said operating costs and
research and development spending rose, while average selling
prices for the Model S lineup, which starts at $70,000 before
federal and state electric vehicle tax breaks, fell 1 percent as
the mix of sales shifted to less expensive models and a strong
dollar hit revenue generated overseas. The Model S comes in
several different versions, ranging in price up to $106,000 or
more, depending on options.

CAPITAL SPENDING

Tesla has signaled capital spending will drop next year because
the company won't be spending on a major vehicle launch. In
2017, Tesla plans to launch its Model 3 line, which the company
says will start at about $35,000 and push total sales toward the
goal of 500,000 vehicles a year by 2020.

Barclays analyst Brian Johnson disagreed with the company's
estimates, and said he expects Tesla's capital spending will go
up in 2016 and 2017 as the company ramps up its battery factory
and Model 3 development. "Their small scale means the cash
generation is not as great as they might have hoped for," he
said.

Musk said this week Tesla expects to have $1 billion in cash
over the next year, and told analysts "there may be some value"
in raising capital "as a risk reduction measure."

Tesla's stock is still about 70 percent higher than it was two
years ago, and 8 percent ahead of its level on Jan 1. With a
market capitalization of $31 billion, Tesla is worth more than
Fiat Chrysler Automobiles NV, the much larger maker of Ram
pickups and Jeep Grand Cherokees.

"A capital raise, given the way they're burning cash today,
given the fact that they have future investment needs, seems
very likely at some point," said UBS Securities analyst Colin
Langan, who has a sell rating on the stock.

Musk has steered Tesla out of tight corners before. In September
2012, the company faced a cash crunch, but raised money by
selling shares and renegotiating the terms of a federal loan.
The Model S started production in miod-2012.

Tesla has made moves to expand sales volume, and lure people to
pay more for its vehicles. In addition to adding a lower priced
version of the Model S, Tesla last month said it would offer
performance upgrades for its Model S 85 and 85D for $5,000 and
launched the Model S 90D and P90D high performance cars at a
$10,000 price premium.

Tesla reports its finances in a different way from the Detroit
automakers. Using the generally accepted accounting principles,
or GAAP, used by GM or Ford, Tesla's operating losses per
vehicle have steadily widened to $14,758 from $3,794 in the
second quarter of 2014.

But Tesla points out in its statements to investors that its
GAAP accounting excludes certain revenue and profits from Model
S sedans that customers lease. In the second quarter, the
deferred gross profits from Model S leases amounted to $61.9
million, Tesla said. Analysts say they add back the deferred
revenue to make Tesla's figures more comparable to the reporting
used by other automakers.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/08/10/us-teslamotors-cash-
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Beam Me Up Scotty
2015-08-17 16:41:21 UTC
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Post by Elon Musk, another 'hollywood queer'
It's crunch time for Tesla Motors.
The Silicon Valley automaker is losing more than $4,000 on every
Model S electric sedan it sells, using its reckoning of
operating losses, and it burned $359 million in cash last
quarter in a bull market for luxury vehicles. The company on
Wednesday cut its production targets for this year and next.
Chief Executive Elon Musk said he's considering options to raise
more capital, and didn't rule out selling more stock.
Losing $4000 a car means that selling more cars won't raise any capital.

Interesting business model, cars are a side issue and their real
business is selling utopia to Liberals that want to throw their money
away making/buying electric cars that are popular among the people in
fashion but NOT practical for anyone in real life.

That makes their real industry... NOT cars but marketing and they're a
marketing corporation that uses cars to sell their real product which is
Utopian propaganda and the green life style.
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That's Karma
Ed Huntress
2015-08-17 16:52:47 UTC
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On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 12:41:21 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Elon Musk, another 'hollywood queer'
It's crunch time for Tesla Motors.
The Silicon Valley automaker is losing more than $4,000 on every
Model S electric sedan it sells, using its reckoning of
operating losses, and it burned $359 million in cash last
quarter in a bull market for luxury vehicles. The company on
Wednesday cut its production targets for this year and next.
Chief Executive Elon Musk said he's considering options to raise
more capital, and didn't rule out selling more stock.
Losing $4000 a car means that selling more cars won't raise any capital.
Interesting business model, cars are a side issue and their real
business is selling utopia to Liberals that want to throw their money
away making/buying electric cars that are popular among the people in
fashion but NOT practical for anyone in real life.
That makes their real industry... NOT cars but marketing and they're a
marketing corporation that uses cars to sell their real product which is
Utopian propaganda and the green life style.
BMUS, Tesla is not losing money on car sales. It is taking investment
deductions on its battery and new-model investments and they show up
as a loss for tx purposes. Then the reporter/idiots divide the tax
loss by the number of cars they're selling, and claim they're losing
that much money on every car.

That's why they're reporters, and not business leaders. And, as we
know, anything that involves arithmetic leave you spinning like a top.
d8-)
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Ed Huntress
Gronk
2015-08-21 03:51:21 UTC
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Post by Ed Huntress
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 12:41:21 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Elon Musk, another 'hollywood queer'
It's crunch time for Tesla Motors.
The Silicon Valley automaker is losing more than $4,000 on every
Model S electric sedan it sells, using its reckoning of
operating losses, and it burned $359 million in cash last
quarter in a bull market for luxury vehicles. The company on
Wednesday cut its production targets for this year and next.
Chief Executive Elon Musk said he's considering options to raise
more capital, and didn't rule out selling more stock.
Losing $4000 a car means that selling more cars won't raise any capital.
Interesting business model, cars are a side issue and their real
business is selling utopia to Liberals that want to throw their money
away making/buying electric cars that are popular among the people in
fashion but NOT practical for anyone in real life.
That makes their real industry... NOT cars but marketing and they're a
marketing corporation that uses cars to sell their real product which is
Utopian propaganda and the green life style.
BMUS, Tesla is not losing money on car sales. It is taking investment
deductions on its battery and new-model investments and they show up
as a loss for tx purposes. Then the reporter/idiots divide the tax
loss by the number of cars they're selling, and claim they're losing
that much money on every car.
That's why they're reporters, and not business leaders. And, as we
know, anything that involves arithmetic leave you spinning like a top.
d8-)
What he said.
m***@hotmail.com
2015-08-21 16:14:48 UTC
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Post by Gronk
Post by Ed Huntress
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 12:41:21 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Elon Musk, another 'hollywood queer'
It's crunch time for Tesla Motors.
The Silicon Valley automaker is losing more than $4,000 on every
Model S electric sedan it sells, using its reckoning of
operating losses, and it burned $359 million in cash last
quarter in a bull market for luxury vehicles. The company on
Wednesday cut its production targets for this year and next.
Chief Executive Elon Musk said he's considering options to raise
more capital, and didn't rule out selling more stock.
Losing $4000 a car means that selling more cars won't raise any capital.
Interesting business model, cars are a side issue and their real
business is selling utopia to Liberals that want to throw their money
away making/buying electric cars that are popular among the people in
fashion but NOT practical for anyone in real life.
That makes their real industry... NOT cars but marketing and they're a
marketing corporation that uses cars to sell their real product which is
Utopian propaganda and the green life style.
BMUS, Tesla is not losing money on car sales. It is taking investment
deductions on its battery and new-model investments and they show up
as a loss for tx purposes. Then the reporter/idiots divide the tax
loss by the number of cars they're selling, and claim they're losing
that much money on every car.
That's why they're reporters, and not business leaders. And, as we
know, anything that involves arithmetic leave you spinning like a top.
What he said.
He? You talking about Elon Musk? The South African businessman? I guess he grew up in an interesting place, if you want to read about it:
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Christian Science Monitor
" S. Africa's police: men of many letters? "
by Humphrey Tyler, Special to the Christian Science Monitor
JANUARY 8, 1980

CAPE TOWN -- Another major scandal has erupted to embarrass the South African government. Opposition members of Parliament are outraged because of the publication of documented allegations that the country's supersecret security police, members of the Department of National security, have been intercepting the mail of highly respected politicians and churchmen, tapping private telephones, and keeping voluminous files about their activities.

One of the politicians whose mail has been intercepted is Helen Suzman, a member of Parliament and outspoken member of the main white opposition party, the Progressive Federal Party.

The leader of the Progressive Federal Party, Dr. Frederik van Zyl Slabbert, who is also the formal leader of the opposition in the south African Parliament, says the allegations are "extremely disturbing and shocking. "He plans to raise the matter in Parliament when it sits again in a few weeks.

Another of the prominent names the secret police allegedly have on their files is the richest man in South Africa, Harry Oppenheimer, a multimillionaire mining magnate.

There also are alleged to be files on all the main South African writers.

the source of the information is Arthur McGivern, a former member of the Department of National Security, who resigned last September and went to Britain with a bundle of incriminating documents wrapped in a towel.

He says he joined the security police in 1972 to penetrate the South African power structure and "find who was running thins" in South Africa.

His story has been published in London exclusively by the Observer, a leading British Sunday newspaper. It has been widely reprinted in South Africa -even by newspapers that have no rights to the material.

After the first installment, entitled "Inside BOSS's super spook headquarters ," South African Prime Minister Pieter W. Botha called for a full report on the activities of the Department of National Security (formerly widely known as the Bureau of State Security, thence BOSS).

Meanwhile, Mr. McGivern's previous employers have acknowledged that he worked for them, but have tried to make out that if he was some sort of spy, he was only a small and unimportant part with no access to the real secrets of the operation.

Nonetheless, the documents Mr. McGivern has produced to support his allegations are, no doubt, highly embarrassing to the security department. One, for example, is a copy of a letter from the British Conservative Party Member of Parliament, Winston Churchill (grandson of the famous wartime leader), to Mr. Suzman.

It is stamped "geheim" -meaning secret and there seems no explanation except that it was deliberately intercepted. Mr. McGivern says the letter comes from the police file on Mrs. Suzman.

Among the authors the security police are alleged to have spied on is Dr. lan Paton, world-famous author of the best-selling novel, "Cry the Beloved Country."

He said this past weekend that he was not the least surprised at the Observer report and confirmed that he had known for many years that the security police had a file on him. Security police had followed him "all over," he said.

Another writer, Prof. Andre Brink, said he knew the police had a file on him and that they had tapped his telephone.
F. George McDuffee
2015-08-17 17:39:56 UTC
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Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
That makes their real industry... NOT cars but marketing and they're a
marketing corporation that uses cars to sell their real product which is
Utopian propaganda and the green life style.
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The lithium battery business may well become larger and more
profitable than the car business. It makes small scale
[home owner] photovoltaic and wind power generation far more
practical as it offers a viable load leveling and storage,
and it can also have great impact on the traditional power
generation/distribution industry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Powerwall
"As of May 2015, Tesla Powerwall had already sold out
through to the middle of 2016.[25][26] Reservations within
the first few weeks were over 50,000 units for the Powerwall
(US$179 million), and 25,000 units for the Powerpack (US$625
million),[9] with combined orders of US$800 million."

Not vapor ware
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigafactory_1
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Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"
tesla sTinker
2015-08-21 00:16:15 UTC
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Post by Beam Me Up Scotty
Post by Elon Musk, another 'hollywood queer'
It's crunch time for Tesla Motors.
The Silicon Valley automaker is losing more than $4,000 on every
Model S electric sedan it sells, using its reckoning of
operating losses, and it burned $359 million in cash last
quarter in a bull market for luxury vehicles. The company on
Wednesday cut its production targets for this year and next.
Chief Executive Elon Musk said he's considering options to raise
more capital, and didn't rule out selling more stock.
Losing $4000 a car means that selling more cars won't raise any capital.
Interesting business model, cars are a side issue and their real
business is selling utopia to Liberals that want to throw their money
away making/buying electric cars that are popular among the people in
fashion but NOT practical for anyone in real life.
That makes their real industry... NOT cars but marketing and they're a
marketing corporation that uses cars to sell their real product which is
Utopian propaganda and the green life style.
you are not going to be able to paganize prophecy on tesla. It would be
foolish to try. Besides, your living in a very messed up world, that has
no economic because, the gov itself has removed it by ignoring the
problems of the computer and the people. Not only that, they, are the
cause of bankrupsty. And, while you have a population of half the
people in every united states city on food stamps, example NY, you have
a population of half the united states living in poverty. And that, is
truth. How can anyone expect normal sales in a very screwed up
environment, not to mention, the rest of world wide citys are in dire
straights on more than just half poverty, but are working on 3/4 now.
The devils box. EU Euro 911 rip off.

Go and see just how green the oil companies are... And then, you can
think again. tesla will have many running to their handouts, but just
one problem with that. They are not offering anything until they make
the car run for free. Only then, will its sales keep up with the
battery factory. Irony is, a battery is a hydrogen electrolysis cell,
and they can so very well make what the military uses up in the sky, in
a vehicle for the road yes, but are not doing that yet. They have just
one problem with that, the population is still showing its ass as it
does not dissobey the us gov yet.

But that part, is very close to changing as those poor occupy people,
are ready to kill the US federal government yes, for being ripped off.
And once it starts, you will not be able to stop it... End of the US
regulations, all of them. At that point, wwiii, it will not matter
what tesla builds and sells to
people. T4

Then, they will get one, that does not need fuel, not any kind of
fuel... But still will drive down the road in the Apocalypse of hell.
Then you will not be on here typing, that is certain. First pile of
shit to go, will be the internet. And that will happen by downed power
lines... As the servers will shut down....

Now, maybe you best go back to your dammed by God calculator, for no
mathematics will work in a war of the people against the gov.... I
tell you now, that new trade tower, it will also fall against the two
set up for the big rip off of babel.... Just wait and see....

And GW Bush, should of has his head cut off a long time ago already, but
since so many think like he does, God chooses to get all of them.
I for one, do not blame my God.

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